SPN_Darkside Episode Poll: 15.20 Carry On

[sylsdarkplace]

15.20 Carry On -- Supernatural series finale.
Writer: Andrew Dabb
Director: Robert Singer

Domestic Winchesters

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Yay! Miracle is there!

29(23.6%)

Why doesn't Sam take Miracle running with him?

11(8.9%)

Love Dean messily straightening up

23(18.7%)

Oooo, sexy Sam

18(14.6%)

Wait, Dean is the cook.

9(7.3%)

Aw, the boys settling in the library to research.

11(8.9%)

This is too good to last

22(17.9%)

Sam hitting Dean with the pie in the face

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It's okay. Dean loves pie.

17(22.4%)

Shades of prankster Sam from back in the day

28(36.8%)

Dean finally gets pie -- all the pie.

12(15.8%)

Mm, now I want pie.

1(1.3%)

This is too good to last.

18(23.7%)

The hunt

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What the ...?

6(8.1%)

Mime-pires lol

19(25.7%)

More like Jugaloopires

8(10.8%)

What vampires cut out people's tongues

13(17.6%)

Jenny? No way!

10(13.5%)

Two brothers. I get it.

18(24.3%)

The fight

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Remember when Dean could kick demon ass?

14(20.0%)

Sam is doing really well

8(11.4%)

That makes me uncomfortable

8(11.4%)

Yes!

8(11.4%)

No!

11(15.7%)

Really? Really?!

21(30.0%)

So that happened

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Wouldn't Dean be in a lot more pain?

8(13.8%)

He's made of the toughest stuff

9(15.5%)

It shouldn't have happened this way.

9(15.5%)

Not even killed by a worthy foe.

7(12.1%)

This was unacceptable.

7(12.1%)

This was completely right.

18(31.0%)

The most emotional thing about The Talk

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Dean making Sam say "It's okay."

16(16.0%)

Sam saying, "It's okay."

10(10.0%)

Dean telling Sam he is proud of him.

10(10.0%)

Dean talking about the night he picked him up at Stanford.

8(8.0%)

"I love you so much. My baby brother."

11(11.0%)

All of it.

29(29.0%)

I can't even.

16(16.0%)

Dean in Heaven

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Yay! Bobby is there to meet him

25(37.9%)

Dean's heaven be a bar?

2(3.0%)

The bar is over yonder.

2(3.0%)

Why doesn't he go see his mom and dad or Ellen and Jo or any number of people?

4(6.1%)

Because it isn't Heaven until Sam joins him.

26(39.4%)

So is Dean grieving in Heaven? Discuss.

7(10.6%)

Sam on earth

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Grieving for 30+ years. I can't.

25(25.8%)

At least Sam had Miracle and the Impala

12(12.4%)

Sam got the normal he always wanted

9(9.3%)

He named his son Dean. Stick a fork in me!

19(19.6%)

Was there a woman? There must have been a woman.

4(4.1%)

His son telling him it was okay to go broke my heart.

19(19.6%)

I see Exile on Main Street parallels

6(6.2%)

I see We Need to Talk About Kevin parallels.

3(3.1%)

The series finale was

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Perfect!

22(50.0%)

It could have been worse.

6(13.6%)

Loved some, hated some.

9(20.5%)

Meh

4(9.1%)

Hated it

3(6.8%)

 

Comments

[anniespinkhouse.livejournal.com]

I still need time to think and digest it all. After bailing on the last few seasons, this at least was a perfect conclusion. I feel that Kripke's boys were returned to me - that the crappy lol canon and angel (non) drama can be waved away as Chuck's unwinding mind. It gave me peace.

And yes, the performances were incredible, non verbal moments every bit as emotional. The sets, lighting, camera work, costume, direction - every member of the crew excelled themselves.

The vamps were genuinely scary, oh for real dark horror moments.

I don't think this took place immediately after 15.19. Their routine was well worn imo. They seemed happy and settled. I think they left that open for head canons and fic but if anyone wants to ask the question at a con it might be interesting. Similarly, I think Dean's drive until he met Sam, seemed short to him, because of Bobby's comment about time. I saw it as being mere hours or even minutes for him.

I was good with Dean's demise. It wasn't carelessness or poor writing. It was a random, stupid and believable accident like hunters fall to, that harked back to a previous 'death'. Because remember the taser electrocution in 'Faith'. It was a normal death that Chuck would not have allowed him to have. He had agency in it. Oh and - not a nail! This was a bigass and awful rebar that he was impaled on. I didn't have to like it, I was never going to like their deaths, but it made sense to me. For some reason it brought the Torchwood 'Random Shoes' monologue to mind.

I can't believe we got naked chest, domestic Winchesters, a dog, horror, competent boys, death, codependancy, a road trip and epic emotional scenes all in one episode.

And Sam made sure there was a legacy, a Winchester to safeguard the world. I do believe he knuckled down and wanted to stay to make his son safe and loved and pass on their knowledge in the way Dean had been his rock- to honour him and also because Sam is that man.I believe that only once he had achieved that, did he allow himself to think about letting go. Just my little head canon. I loved how soft his death scene was.

I have so many more thinky thoughts and have taken a bunch of pretty screencaps today which I haven't been inclined to do for a very long time.

I cried. A lot. But I am grateful that justice was done for Sam and Dean in the end.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

I've just skimmed through the responses here and when I'm in shape for it, will carefully read everything, but this caught my eye: It was a random, stupid and believable accident like hunters fall to, that harked back to a previous 'death'. Because remember the taser electrocution in 'Faith'. It was a normal death that Chuck would not have allowed him to have.

I agree with this so much.

[amypond45.livejournal.com]

I agree with this 100%. It was a normal kind of death for a hunter, not manipulated by Heaven or Hell. As sad as it was, Dean’s death felt really right.

I’m still working through the comments before I figure out what to say, but overall I really loved this as a finale. It felt like the story came full circle and we were reminded in so many ways that this story started with the pilot and it’s Sam’s journey. No wonder Jared loves it so much!

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

I'm still trying to deal with this--I feel more depressed about the end of my Show instead of less as time goes on.

Today, though, it occurred to me while showering--all the best thinking takes place in a shower--that the reason why I liked this ending was because it was pretty much like all my own endings. Some happiness, some sadness, but rarely any end being neat and tidy because nothing ever is neat and tidy.

That's what I liked about the end. It came full circle, and we were reminded that as much as we love Dean, like you say it had always been *Sam's* journey, and to me that ending finally acknowledged that--maybe not in the way some folks wanted, but it worked for me. :)

[kazluvsbooks.livejournal.com]

I agree with all of this!
I was starting to dread what the would do with the finale, but this exceeded all my expectations.
just the boys, intertwined in life and death.
I am happy that covid made it that much smaller and intimate.
The little show that could.

[anniespinkhouse.livejournal.com]

My very low expectations may have played into my love for the episode but Patronhippie also said this:- "I think I just realized that one of the main reasons I loved the finale is that those of us that haven't watched in years could come back and watch it and not miss a beat. There was none of the useless nonsense from recent years to weigh things down lols may have played into me loving this so much." on Twitter and this is definitely the case for me too.

[kazluvsbooks.livejournal.com]

True, I made my hubby watch with me last night, he had only watched up to half way through S15, and he still really enjoyed it. I made the mistake of gasping loudly, when shirtless Sam appeared. Oopsie

[anniespinkhouse.livejournal.com]

I'm not normally a fan of fan service but that definitely got pass!

[sylsdarkplace]

Yes! Although that is one of things that made it good for most fans, it focused on the boys where, arguable, it should be. It was no accident in the previous ep that Kripke and others emphasized that Sam and Dean were the center of the show.

[meus_venator]

That is a really EXCELLENT point. Because a lot of people tuned in to see the ending. And watching it again, you really don't have to have watched the show for years and it still works. Kind of comforting.

[amypond45.livejournal.com]

Hard agree. I love the notion that it’s possible to watch the pilot, a few episodes through the years and the finale and basically have the whole story.

[sylsdarkplace]

You’ve thought through so many things I hadn’t had a chance to consider, and I feel like I should have watched twice before posting the poll. Although, the poll is just a springboard for discussion.

I like your thoughts about Sam teaching Dean Jr. to be a Man of Letters. Not only would it have given Sam a reason to go back to the bunker, but he would have introduced Dean Jr. to Garth, Jody, the girls, and Donna.

And spin-off? Reboot?

It’s funny we’re calling him Dean Jr. when technically he wouldn’t be.

[borgmama1of5.livejournal.com]

Everything anniespinkhouse said.

[zara-zee.livejournal.com]

Yep. All of this. Especially your point about the random, stupid and believable accident like hunters fall to, that harked back to a previous 'death'. Because remember the taser electrocution in 'Faith'. It was a normal death that Chuck would not have allowed him to have. I agree completely.

[sailorhathor.livejournal.com]

Do you think that Jensen was trying to convey that the rebar impaled a lung? That was the impression I got. Anyone else?

[anniespinkhouse.livejournal.com]

I didn't think the lung, because I felt that would make it almost impossible to talk but I thought he definitely felt it squishing through one or some of his organs, maybe spleen or liver or such and may be able to feel blood pooling. *Shudders* I did think that make up probably should have made him a lot paler in the circumstances but aesthetics I guess, those moments will be shared a lot so keep Dean pretty for them.

[sylsdarkplace]

I agree, probably not a lung. That would have caused wheezing and possibly spitting up blood. I'm guessing that he died from internal bleeding, which would have been quicker had Sam moved him. One would think there would have been more visible side effects, but as you say, aesthetics.

[sailorhathor.livejournal.com]

It was that gasp that Jensen made that made me think lung, but then he said goodbye to Sam for 2 hours so now I'm not sure. 😂 I thought any second he would spit up blood to indicate serious injury like they always do on tv and such. After looking at Sam's awful old man makeup, maybe they had already blown the makeup budget for the season or kept the makeup people away out of Covid fear? Either way, still obvious Dean got stabbed through something impotant. It wasn't like oh no, my gall bladder.